Advanced Comp: Analysis Online Discussion Forum

Using the comment section of the post below, please answer the following questions about a variety of topics.

  1. What principles and elements of design contribute most to the meaning of this work?
  2. How does the work take on new meaning when you apply a particular critical lens to it?
  3. What symbols most contribute to the meaning of the work? What is the effect?

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58 thoughts on “Advanced Comp: Analysis Online Discussion Forum

  1. Media #1: Selection from A&P and The Thoughtful Shopper by Norman Rockwell

    Selection from A&P: ‘”Girls, I don’t want to argue with you. After this come in here with your shoulders covered. It’s our policy.” He turns his back. That’s policy for you. Policy is what the kingpins want. What the others want is juvenile delinquency.

    All this while, the customers had been showing up with their carts but, you know, sheep, seeing a scene, they had all bunched up on Stokesie, who shook open a paper bag as gently as peeling a peach, not wanting to miss a word. I could feel in the silence everybody getting nervous, most of all Lengel, who asks me, “Sammy, have you rung up this purchase?”

    I thought and said “No” but it wasn’t about that I was thinking. I go through the punches, 4, 9, GROC, TOT — it’s more complicated than you think, and after you do it often enough, it begins to make a lttle song, that you hear words to, in my case “Hello (bing) there, you (gung) hap-py pee-pul (splat)”-the splat being the drawer flying out. I uncrease the bill, tenderly as you may imagine, it just having come from between the two smoothest scoops of vanilla I had ever known were there, and pass a half and a penny into her narrow pink palm, and nestle the herrings in a bag and twist its neck and hand it over, all the time thinking.

    The girls, and who’d blame them, are in a hurry to get out, so I say “I quit” to Lengel quick enough for them to hear, hoping they’ll stop and watch me, their unsuspected hero. They keep right on going, into the electric eye; the door flies open and they flicker across the lot to their car, Queenie and Plaid and Big Tall Goony-Goony (not that as raw material she was so bad), leaving me with Lengel and a kink in his eyebrow.

    “Did you say something, Sammy?”

    “I said I quit.”

    “I thought you did.”

    “You didn’t have to embarrass them.”

    “It was they who were embarrassing us.”

    I started to say something that came out “Fiddle-de-doo.” It’s a saying of my grand- mother’s, and I know she would have been pleased.

    “I don’t think you know what you’re saying,” Lengel said.

    “I know you don’t,” I said. “But I do.” I pull the bow at the back of my apron and start shrugging it off my shoulders. A couple customers that had been heading for my slot begin to knock against each other, like scared pigs in a chute.

    Lengel sighs and begins to look very patient and old and gray. He’s been a friend of my parents for years. “Sammy, you don’t want to do this to your Mom and Dad,” he tells me. It’s true, I don’t. But it seems to me that once you begin a gesture it’s fatal not to go through with it. I fold the apron, “Sammy” stitched in red on the pocket, and put it on the counter, and drop the bow tie on top of it. The bow tie is theirs, if you’ve ever wondered. “You’ll feel this for the rest of your life,” Lengel says, and I know that’s true, too, but remembering how he made that pretty girl blush makes me so scrunchy inside I punch the No Sale tab and the machine whirs “pee-pul” and the drawer splats out. One advantage to this scene taking place in summer, I can follow this up with a clean exit, there’s no fumbling around getting your coat and galoshes, I just saunter into the electric eye in my white shirt that my mother ironed the night before, and the door heaves itself open, and outside the sunshine is skating around on the asphalt.

    I look around for my girls, but they’re gone, of course. There wasn’t anybody but some young married screaming with her children about some candy they didn’t get by the door of a powder-blue Falcon station wagon. Looking back in the big windows, over the bags of peat moss and aluminum lawn furniture stacked on the pavement, I could see Lengel in my place in the slot, checking the sheep through. His face was dark gray and his back stiff, as if he’d just had an injection of iron, and my stomach kind of fell as I felt how hard the world was going to be to me hereafter.’

    The Thoughtful Shopper: http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2012/04/20/art-entertainment/grocery.html

    • the thoughtful shopper looks like a Marxist criticism because the child is just putting stuff in the buggy and eating a banana but where are the parents the child is all along but this could possibly be a bad behavior type of theory but I definitely believe this is a Marxist criticism.

    • the grocery covers give me gender studies.In 1937 the wooden basket was created it was ideal for women however it was not for men. men felt less manly carrying a basket almost like a purse, later they looked more into this grocery crisis and invented the cart for both genders

    • Doo Wop (that thing) by Lauryn Hill automatically made me think about gender studies It involved discrimination due to sex and faulted masculinity for both women and men and also spoke on the power struggles between them. In the song, she’s telling women that men should show them respect and they should also respect themselves. She calls men sneaky and silent and is basically saying their priorities aren’t straight.

    • The Lauryn Hill song Doo Wop (that thing) ”money taking and heartbreaking, no you wonder why women hate men”. power struggles between genders because men don’t do right when it comes to their kids, paying child support late, put a bad influence on how men do things. gender studies and feminist

        • I would say both because some women that have kids and are on their own need that child support money but the men aren’t paying it on time so some women are hating men and doing their own thing now.

        • I would say the truth because i believe if you have a responsibility you should be able to take care of it and if you don’t who should take responsibility of you mistakes. people now a days follow people like celebrities and want to do the same as them but they don’t understand that these celebrities have money and they don’t.

    • The critical lens I would apply to Doo Wop by Lauren Hill is Gender Studies and Feminist Criticism because in the song she talks about how some women don’t value themselves and she’s saying that women are gems and shouldn’t give themselves up easily while the guy is only worried about materialistic things instead of their families

    • i would say in Lauryn Hill’s Doo Wop shows gender studies because she says “money taking and heart breaking , now you wonder why women hate men” is showing how some men think that they can do whatever they want without being punished. but she also says “ when you give it up so easy you ain’t even foolin’ him” showing that it’s also the women fault to for giving the men what they want so there’s blame on both sides

    • The Perfect Garden painting is using a Marxist lens to show the Proletariat, the one on the phone, and the wealthy, the Gardeners. It shows that the upper classes use things, such as cell phones, as a way of controlling the lower classes, and if they don’t follow the control the wealthy want to cut them off.

        • I believe there’s an attempt at a revolution happening. I think some of the kids are trying to rebel and break away from being consumed in technology, but society makes them feel cut off and alone and like an outcast.

      • I completely agree with the Secret Garden being Marxist Criticism because the guy mowing the ”lawn” is above everything while he’son top of everyone below basically like he’s walking all over them like in society someone has to be at the bottom for people to be at the top.

    • The visual representation perfect garden leans toward the corruption in the daily life of a teenager. Teens now in days are so intrigued by electronic devices, they’re not engaging in society, life, or other important aspects. And every time someone does stand out, they are brought down by society itself it is not the teenager its the devices that corrupt their brains to think like everyone else and not be unique and making the world a weaker and dull place.

      • I agree because the ones who are really cutting them from society are themselves, by just being on the phone as it’s said in the comment above. because phones are a distraction to whatever your doing and teenagers now and days cant go a day without their phones, and it causes an addiction towards the device.

    • The artwork of the teens getting their heads cut by the man is crazy because nowadays all you see is teens on their phones walking, talking, and driving. These teens in the garden picture are standing out but it seems like you cant stand out without getting shut out. Teens let their phone take over them and they don’t even know that.The ones that be on there phone feel like they are high class and the ones without phones or want to stand out a lower class.

    • The Fat Mouse painting uses the Marxist lense because it shows that the upper class uses the lower class to get them places. Since the fat mouse is holding the other mouse in front of the cat it seems like the cat is chasing after it. The fat mouse is using its fellow mouse to benefit itself like how society does now.

    • I think of the picture called Perfect Garden as Marxist Criticism. The reason I think this is because its based on social between technology and old school. In my opinion, I think the kids are the high class because they are not working and the men are a low class.

    • the Painting Family gives me a Marxist criticism perspective of Two possibly young adults, who grew up under a bad influence. And till this day they repeat their bad ways.However the two adults brought in a life to this world, they will not bring any good or positivity into this new little life its destiny is just like their parents. basically symbolized as a ticking bomb full of destruction. Which emphasizes the fundamentals of how parents are raising their kids

      • I agree with what you’re saying, but wouldn’t that make it Psychoanalysis because the bad parents are raising a ticking time bomb and the kid doesn’t have a way to change it.

    • Perfect Garden; the tress at the background of the art represents another idea because those two trees have different point of view and are being taking care of by another person.

    • Definitly with the first two pieces of art (The Perfect Garden and The Fat Mouse) show Marxism when you first look at them. The Perfect garden shows a person moving a lawn that has heads popping out of the ground, which is odd to say the least, but I believe the person mowing the lawn could represent the Higher class since they are above the people in the ground and are mowing over them which I think represents the lack of respect for the lowest class. Speaking of the lower class, I believe that the heads sticking out of the ground represent the lower classes because they are not only below the person mowing the lawn but they are in the dirt. This could also be seen from a possible Sexist stand point as women still in 2018 do not get treated the same as men within both work and society.

    • The Descendant painting makes me think of how much society has changed since back then. It’s making the statement that we will no longer be chained up or poor. No matter what he looks like, he controls what happens in his life.

  2. Descendant: The art expresses that the class society put you in can be changed because all it takes is hard work, motivation and some effort. the art also educate viewers to not look at somethings one way because what could be old today can be new tomorrow.

  3. As far as the Fat Mouse canvas it’s basically showing how when the people at the bottom work together they can drive the person that manipulates them and give them a taste of their own medicine. The fat mouse I would say is the average person in life as he’s fatter and has on cloth. The bait mouse I would say is at the very bottom because he has no cloth on and he’s much thinner. The average mouse on the cat though is actually benefitting from the bait mouse because when the average mouse gets through using the bait mouse to its advantage, it’s most likely going to die once the average mouse drops it and it might distract the cat from eating the fat rat or it might be full, so that the fat rat has a better chance of getting away. So it relates to Marxist as well as Psychoanalysis because they use the bait rat to its advantage since it’s motivated to eat the rat.

    • It’s interesting that you say that the fat mouse represents the proletariat. Could you please clarify how you believe the people on the bottom use those on top to get what they desire?

  4. I feel like in the song Respiration you could use psychoanalysis because there’s a reason why the society in New York is the way it is.

  5. I feel that the topic “the perfect garden” looks very interesting but then again it makes you wonder and think hard what might you have to think about and think period but I feel as if this picture is saying how some people can let others walk on them or you let others do anything for you as long as you have your phone or if your on your phone you don’t even notice what is going on nor paying attention to whats happening this also looks like low-class people getting walked on (proletariat)

  6. What principles and elements of design contribute most to the meaning of this work?- The artist used Line, Shape and form and color in order to bring out the color in the artwork to get the person to approve.
    How does the work take on new meaning when you apply a particular critical lens to it?- Because then the Fat mouse will be more thoroughly described because of the suit he had on and the fact hes setting up another mouse to get killed by the cat.
    What symbols most contribute to the meaning of the work? What is the effect? The symbols would be the stick the Fat mouse was using in order to carry out the plan because as long as that mouse was helping the cat the cat agreed i guess. The effect most likely was both of them got killed eventually.

  7. the fat mouse theme definitely looks like it has something to do with the Marxist criticism because it looks like the mouse hanging is the lower class (proletariat) and then the cat looks like the middle class ( bourgeois) the fat mouse sitting on the cat would, of course, be the wealthy class because the mouse looks more upper class and looks like he/she is ruling the mouse hanging on the stick or whatever that is.

  8. What principles and elements of design contribute most to the meaning of this work?
    color with the darkness and the light contrast. the painter also uses space because the foreground, middleground, and background it the “perfect garden”.

    How does the work take on new meaning when you apply a particular critical lens to it?
    I would say Marxist Criticism because the people are kind of stacked on each other, so the boys at the bottom are the lowest class. The boys with there heads poking up are the middle class coming out of the lowest class. The men that are on top are walking on top of the middle and and lowest class. the high class men are cutting grass and trimming down trees.

    What symbols most contribute to the meaning of the work? What is the effect?
    The lawn mower represents the high class taking the middle classes privileges away. The reason i say that is because the low and middle class is like a yard of grass except the middle are like weeds that the high class wanna cut down basically taking there privileges.

  9. The Doo Wop song by Lauryn Hill has to do with Gender studies. Lauryn states how women allow the men to use women to their advantage as they show off their assets. She also states how they fall into men trap when women put on this fraud shield to make it seem like they’re not as easy as they look when they obviously are. Lauryn also states how women need to show their worth and not average like the other degrading themselves. Then she comes for the men when she states that they put on a front to make it seem like they’re this rich perfect guy when in reality they can’t even provide for themselves living in their mother’s basement. She states how women still believe their shenanigans and allow them to mistreat them and they still defend men as if they have done nothing.

  10. The family, in my opinion, is between Psychoanalytic Criticism and Feminist Criticism. The reason I say this because in the painting they are holding a bomb as a child and the last time I saw that wasn’t normal. So what I am thinking is that the men and women both had a rough childhood and maybe they might have been in the military. Now for the Feminist Criticism part, i say most people don’t think of women as being a robber and holding bombs

  11. I think the descendant is Marxist criticism because it shows how the people change the view of black people. they were once slaves but now they gangsters doing bad thing to get money. once they use the money to buy gold chains
    I think the family is reader-response criticism because they don’t see how middle east is struggling with terrorist. they think everybody is terrorist. that the value of family is nothing to them.
    I think the fat mouse is Marxist criticism because the picture shows how the rich people control the government and the lower classes. The rich people can pay the government leaders to make rules to help big business to make more money.
    e.v

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